Sir, the motion moved by Mr. Mehta raises two points, if I understand it correctly. One point is that the Government failed to consult the representatives of Trade Unions when they last raised the dearness allowance. The second point which is raised in the motion is that the dearness allowances which were announced on the 21st of January last were meagre and inadequate. Sir, I am sorry to say that although I have every sympathy with Mr. Mehta for bringing forward this motion, I am bound to say that the motion has been based upon misunderstanding. Sir, I will take the first question, namely, the dearness allowances announced by the Government of India are meagre and inadequate. Sir, with regard120 to the meagreness of the allowances, the point that I would like the House to bear in mind is that140 (1) there is no final decision at which the Government has arrived. It cannot be said that the figures that they160 have announced by the notification of the 23rd February are not to be altered or are not to be increased. There is the case that those figures do not grant adequate dearness allowance. But as I said, there is no finality about it. The situation is still fluid and it is a matter for consideration now for the Government as to the form which the dearness allowance should take. It has to be decided whether the dearness allowance should take240 the form of cash allowance or it should take the form of food provision, before the Government can fix upon any particular pitch at which dearness allowance should be fixed. Therefore, my submission on that point is that it cannot280 be said that the Government has taken any decision (2) which can be said to be irretrievable and irreversible.
With regard to meagreness and inadequacy, the matter is still open and it may be considered at the appropriate time. Coming to320 the second accusation that the Government did not consult the representatives of Trade Unions, I think it is necessary to bear in mind that in the first place there are some difficulties in the matter of establishing contact with labour.360 The difficulty is this. As my honourable friend Mr. Mehta knows, so far as the railways are concerned, there are Unions which have been federated into a single organisation and it makes matters quite easy for the Government to establish contact with workers on the Railways to obtain their opinion and to consult them whenever occasion for consultation arises. 420 I think Mr. Mehta will admit that the Government has been doing that. In fact, the convention has already been established and has been practised without any departure that the (3) Railway Board and the Railwaymen’s Federation meet twice a year to discuss matters of common concern. Then, Sir, under the Central Government, there are employees of the Posts and Telegraph480 Department. As I understand, there are twelve Unions which represent the posts and telegraph workers of the Central Government. Out of them, four are Unions representing the higher officers and eight represent the union of workers. Unfortunately, there is no single body, no Federation of the different workers of the Posts and Telegraph Department and consequently it has not been possible to establish the same sort of contact which it is possible for the Railway Board to establish with the560 Railwaymen’s Federation. But I do like to point out the fact that notwithstanding this difficulty, the Government had as a matter of fact established contact with the posts and telegraph workers before taking action. I should like to read to the600 House a short paragraph from a magazine called the (4) Telegraph Review, which records the attempts made by the Posts and Telegraph Department to establish contact with the workers in the Posts and Telegraph. I am sorry I have not got640 the time to read the whole of it. If my honourable friend wants, I can pass it on to him for his perusal. The point that I am making is that so far as the Posts and Telegraph Department workers are concerned, it cannot be said that there was no consultation between the Government and the workers concerned before the700 announcement was made. Then, Sir, there remain what are called the clerical employees of the Central Government. So far as720 this body of workers is concerned, there is no Union, and as there is no Union, there is also no Federation of the employees. What exists is a certain Association. The House will be glad to see that they sent their representatives to the Central Government and they were (5) granted interview by the Honourable Home Minister and the Finance Minister before this announcement was made. I think I am justified in saying what I said at the beginning, that the800 allegations made by Mr. Mehta on which his motion was founded were really not correct. The Government has all along maintained the position it has always taken, namely, it consults the workers as far as possible.
Sir,
I rise to840 reply to the
criticism made by Honourable Members during the course of this debate on
certain points or acts of commission and omission with which the
Labour Department is concerned. Sir, I will begin with the points raised
by Mr. James. As the House is aware, so far as the Labour Department is
concerned, these were two points to which he devoted special
attention. The first one is the point which relates to paper. Mr. James
paid great attention to the point how the Government of India was (6) extravagant
in the use of paper and how in every direction the Government was responsible
for what he called waste. Sir, this question of paper, as the House will
recall, was960 once debated in
the course of this Session on an adjournment motion when I gave a reply on
behalf of980 the Government.
It is quite clear that my honourable friend Mr. James was not
satisfied with the reply given by the Government and has returned to the
subject again. I make no complaint of his returning to the subject again. I
am glad that it does give me another opportunity to explain what the Government
is doing in the matter of conservation of paper. Sir, before I
enter into the subject matter, it might be desirable to tell the
House that it seems to me that the House is exhibiting a certain
degree of over-anxiety that there is a shortage1080 of paper, but I am not quite
convinced that (7) there is what we might call acute suffering in
the matter. I am not saying that shortage of paper is not a
question with which we are not concerned. As I1120 said, there is shortage, but what I
want to emphasise is that there is not a case of what we might call
acute suffering. Sir, proceeding further, as the House will remember, Mr.
James depended upon two illustrations in order to substantiate his
charge of extravagance against the Government of India. Last time when the
subject was debated, Mr. James brought out a rent bill which is issued from the
Western Court to the tenants who occupy that building. His1200 case was that the rent bill which was
presented to the tenants was a document of great enormity which contained
details which were probably unnecessary and which could have been cut
down in the period of the war. This time he brought out a worn-out copy
of the (8) Calcutta Gazette and pointed out that there were
published in the1260 Gazette
certain information which could have been avoided in the course of the
war. Now, Sir, the point I would1280
like to make is this. If Mr. James was a lawyer, I am sure he would not have
brought forth these two cases as illustrations of the points he was making.
With regard to the rent bill, Mr. James evidently1320 forgot to look up the date on which it
was printed. I think the Government of India ought to be
congratulated that rather than destroying the old bills, the stock of which
exists with the Government of India, the Government of India had laid aside all
requirements of reforming the bill and was bent upon using the old stock which
it possessed in order to conserve paper. Sir, with regard to the question of
the Gazette, I think a slip1400
(9) was committed by Mr. James by reason of the fact that he was not
able to appreciate the importance of the Gazette. The Gazette is not merely
a matter which contains useful information for the Government, but as
every lawyer1440 knows, the
Gazette is the only document where in some cases proof can be given by
nothing else in a court of law except by the production of the Gazette. According
to the Evidence Act, the Government Gazette is the only primary
evidence by which certain things can be proved. I would therefore ask Mr. James
that whatever else we may do with regard to economics in Government paper, the
Gazette is the last thing which we ought to touch. The reason obviously is that
every Provincial Government must publish its own Provincial Gazette as
prescribed by the Government of1540
(10) India Act. But, Sir, I do not wish to rely upon what
might be called a rhetorical reply to meet1560 the argument of my honourable
friend. I propose to refer to the practical steps which the
Government of India has taken in order to economise paper.
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